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HOSPITAL CAMPAIGN JUNE-SEPTEMBER 2005
 

We are now being given the run around on hospital plans ....

Last Wednesday 8th June Mike Williams - boss of the PCT - came to the Town Hall and explained to the members of HUG (The Healthcare Users Group) and about sixty members of the public how things presently stand.  The PCT have been listening carefully to our comments and several weeks ago wrote outlining their latest proposals. Most importantly they said that they believed it was now possible to have the 14 intermediate care Hospital beds managed and staffed by the NHS in their own separate wing in the new Hospital/Care Home complex..  Previous proposals had been for the hospital beds to be run by the Order of St John along with the new Care Home beds. We were absolutely delighted by this news. It really looked as if things were now getting settled in a way we could get behind. One result was that the Hospital never became a divisive issue at the Election. The moment the election was over, the Oxford County Council suddenly started finding all kinds of problems with the  plan. It was going to cost more and that wasn't possible. This was the news Mike Williams bought to us on Wednesday. He had not found a solution and it didn't look good.  It began to look as if the Hospital beds were moving back into the maws of the OSJ. The audience in the Town Hall made their feelings about this abundantly clear. There was to be another "urgent" meeting between the PCT and the OCC on the 23rd June to try and find a settlement. Residents of Chipping Norton - we are being given the run around. This is no time to be backing down on the demands we have been making for well over a year now.

The next day the indefatigable Clive Hill (LEFT) - who has masterminded the whole protest campaign and was the most expert and voluble HUG spokesman in the Town Hall meeting - appeared in front of the Oxfordshire Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee - on which our new county councillor Hilary Biles (RIGHT) serves. This powerful committee has to be consulted on any major changes to health provision in the area. If its not happy it has the power to refer decisions to the Minister. It is made up of representatives from the Districts, Oxford City as well as the county. Its political make-up reflects the composition of local councils. It hasn't been going long and is still feeling its way - but it does in effect represent the only serious watchdog for us healthcare consumers. The committee should not be an easy pushover for the County Council - even though the new Tory Power structure is clearly in play!! Clive recommended to the committee that they should accept the plans put forward by the PCT in Mike Williams recent letter. He made the following points....

  • When I spoke to you at your March meeting I indicated that we felt little progress was being made
  • However I really would like to commend the efforts of members of this committee in pursuing a satisfactory solution that would retain acceptable levels of Healthcare Provision at Chipping Norton Hospital and protect our NHS heritage for years to come
     
  • This together with the more constructive and open approach of Mike Williams, the PCTs Chief Executive, took us to a position of real hope and expectation.
     
  • Mike Williams has said the PCT adjusted its plans in response to ‘the views of local people and Councillors’. We welcome this.
  • This was summarised in his letter to the O&SC dated May 26th, a copy of which was sent to our Healthcare Users Group
  • Based on the letter we understand the following : -
    • The PCT would buy the land on which the Hospital would be built
    • Ownership of the Hospital building itself would revert to the NHS at the end of the lease period.
    • The Hospital building would house: - 14 Intermediate Care Beds, Day Hospital (with various clinics), X-Ray and Maternity. In short a proper hospital.
    • The beds would be staffed with NHS nurses and access to beds would be managed by the NHS.
  • Whilst other issues such as the Minor Injuries Unit, Capital Reinvestment and Building Configuration remain unresolved Mike William’s letter provided a real opportunity for agreement and had the potential to provide a facility of which future generations would be proud.
  • However all this optimism evaporated yesterday with the news that the Orders of St John are claiming these proposals will lead to such a level of on cost that it affects the viability of the Hospital and the proposed new Care Home. Frankly some of claimed levels of on cost were hard to believe.
  • We have no details of what the problems are other than a VAT impact due to having NHS beds in the Hospital rather than the Care Home.
  • It was clear from last night’s meeting that the people of the community are not happy to see their Hospital compromised because of complications related to the Care Home.
  • It should be remembered that we are here today discussing an NHS consultation relating to Chipping Norton Hospital not the OCC consultation on the Care Home.
  • As such the Chipping Norton Hospital Action Group believes that any future course of action should be determined accordingly.
  • I am sure Mike Williams will agree that the people who attended the meeting in public, yesterday evening, made it very clear that solving the apparent cost problems by placing Hospital Intermediate Care Beds in the Care Home is not an option they would find acceptable.
  • Further we believe there is sufficient scope in the project to allow other ways of reaching an acceptable solution.
  • We are prepared to work closely with the PCT to resolve these issues but believe we must not be forced to fall back from the proposals in Mike Williams letter. The hospital arrangements set out in that letter have to be our minimum standard.
  • No other route has been identified which meets the needs of the Community or responds to the views of the local people and Councillors.
     
  • We therefore request that this committee advise the PCT to urgently progress the project on the basis of the proposal set out in Mike Williams letter of May 26th.

Hilary Biles had strongly urged Clive Hill to attend the committee meeting and was very pleased with the input which Clive Hill made. Hilary writes ;"It is  important for members to get the feel of how people on the ground really feel. Clive acknowledged and applauded the way the PCT had responded to the consultation over the past few months with proposals which the people of Chipping Norton were happy to support. The committee were clearly impressed with Clive's positive and fair minded approach. The Committee listened carefully. In the discussion I was adamant that should there be any change to the proposals then the PCT needed to come back to the committee under section 7 and 11 of the Health Act. That is what was decided. We had unanimous support!!!!

To me, it was imperative the proposal from the PCT was accepted albeit with the line ‘subject to finance ‘. The alternative was to turn the consultation down - since we had been advised by the Independent Reconfiguration Panel that it was necessary to respond to the PCT by the 9th June. We have all worked too long and hard for this to fall and it is far better to move forward with the commitments we have from the PCT.  There is no doubt this will be a problem for the Oxfordshire Care Partnership and there will need to be future meeting on viability, although I am myself convinced it will be viable or that we would be able to make it viable "

After the meeting Clive Hill spoke on behalf of the Action Group "All credit to Hilary Biles who represented our interests at the O&SC exceptionally well. In proposing to make the letter of the 26th the basis for the O&SC approval of the consultation Hilary must have known she would face a lot of OCC pressure. I would like to take this opportunity to thank her for that and to let her know that she has our full support for her action".

The ball is now in the County Council's court and we await the 23rd June with some anxiety.

READ SOME OF THE BACKGROUND TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

 

THE HOSPITAL DEBATE GOES ON (and on....)

Chunky Townley (Chairman Hospital Action Group) makes a point to Nigel Holmes of the Oxfordshire County Council. Town Cllr John Grantham (far left) and Anthony Hughes (Chairman League of Friends) join in the debate. On the right Johnathan Coombes of the PCT gets some advice from ex town GP Bruce Parker (member of the Healthcare Users Group)

Newly-elected County Councillor Hilary Biles talks to Maureen Shepherd (Chairman of the Guild of Commerce and Committee Member of the Action Group). District Councillor Eve Coles (Committee Member of the Action Group) hears the Vicar's take on things (The Vicar is Chairman of the Healthcare Users Group).

It is just not reasonable that we should have to spend another summer debating the hospital issue. This thing has to be settled. On Saturday morning the League of Friends organised a chance to meet representatives from the County Council, the PCT and the local action groups so that members of the public could judge for themselves exactly how things stand. Outstanding questions like the MIU will hopefully soon be settled with the PCT. Transport arrangements with the OCC. But there is one remaining, financially sensitive big issue where both parties are involved and the argument is about whose budget pays for what. This is the question of whether the 14 intermediate care beds will be staffed and run by the NHS or the Order of St John. What was obvious to anyone spending more than a couple of minutes talking with either the OCC or the PCT on Saturday was that these two august organisations are arguing pretty fiercely about this...and some of us (by now) experienced observers are really beginning to wonder whether failure to agree about it could be a deal breaker.

Let me try and explain the issue - although god knows why you should have to spend your time trying to understand the ins and outs of Public Sector accounting any more than I should. This whole thing goes back to the fact that the County Council has to replace a lot of its Care Homes because they are simply not up to scratch. The OCC has no money for this so it did a deal with two Private Sector organisations - Order of St John (who run and mange Care Homes) and the Pilgrim Housing Trust (who build them). Together they formed a joint venture called the Oxford Care Partnership. This OCP has a huge 25 year contract with OCC to run all its Care Homes, refurbish the existing stock and build new homes where required. Finance is raised privately. OCP get their income from OCC contracting to buy "socially funded" beds in the homes at an agreed bed rate and by the Order of St John marketing some of the beds in the homes on a private fee-paying basis. The OCP has always insisted that the economics of all this (including its bed rate) depends on building a viable size home which two years ago they said was 70 beds. There was never any chance of a Care Home that size being required in Chippy so this is why the first deal came to be done.  First the OCP had its arm twisted and decided that 50 beds was viable. 20 beds were required by OCC. OSJ would market 18 privately. That left 12 needed.....and that was the moment somebody looked around and realised that if the intermediate care beds in the hospital could be brought into the equation and transferred to the Order of St John  then the financial calculations worked. And so the "joined-up" proposal was born. Out of sheer financial necessity and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!! Move forward a year - to this very week. The Chippy Action Groups after a years fight have now persuaded the PCT  that the intermediate care beds must actually stay within the NHS. The PCT have told us in writing that they think this is possible and will do their utmost to make it happen. The PCT have now told this to the OCC who have told the Order of St John - and World War 3 seems to have broken out. The Order of St John claim that this blows the economics and their bed rate to bits...they will now be operating a 36 bed unit. Put simply .....they want a lot more money per bed.  And they know exactly where that extra could come from - eyeing the real estate value of the existing hospital, with some creative ideas about how capital can be converted into revenue. There are some really confusing technicalities which now get introduced into the discussion - like registration requirements, VAT regulations, caps on re-investment. The PCT have some other ideas of their own. There are any number of "bookkeeping" options. We seem to be in a good old fashioned Fish Market. Us laymen are "lost" - which is presumably exactly what is intended. This is  what happens when you bring private finance into the provision of vital public services. Some people will say its a healthy development.  For my part - I think - just like a Fish Market - it stinks. As the public we have a right to far more transparency than we have had in all of this so far. Contract figures and fees are claimed as commercially sensitive and confidential. That's not good enough when the continued existence of our local services depends on these figures. What kind of democracy is this? We need access to the arithmetic!!

On June 8th the OCC and the Order of St John meet the PCT and that does look like High Noon. If they can't agree some figures between them then we are back to square one - because the Action Group is simply not minded to give up on its demand that the hospital beds should stay within the NHS. On June 9th the Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee meet in Oxford and there may be a first public indication of how things are moving.  We rely on our new County Councillor to fight Chippy's corner at that meeting. Meanwhile though - some people left last Saturday morning's  meeting a lot less cheerful than when they went in.

 

 

HOSPITAL UPDATE
from Revd. Steve Weston (left) Chair, Healthcare Users’ Group and Chunky Townley (right) Chair, Hospital Action Group
 

On 29th June the Cherwell Vale Primary Care Trust made proposals for the new Hospital to your representatives on the Healthcare Users’ Group. These proposals included provision for X-ray facilities, an Emergency Treatment Room, Maternity Unit, Day Hospital and 14 Intermediate Care beds. However ……

We were told that the cost of keeping the 14 hospital beds within the NHS would be unjustifiable. It was proposed that these beds would be managed by a not-for-profit care organisation, the Orders of St. John. – who are partners of the County Council in managing Care Homes

This proposal is contrary to a written commitment given, in May, by the PCT that they would pursue a policy of keeping the beds and staff within the NHS . We (the Healthcare Users Group and the Hospital Action Group), feel the new proposed arrangements would be unacceptable to the people of Chipping Norton and District and have communicated this to all the organisations involved. In addition the PCT have so far been unable to provide any financial numbers, which justify taking our beds and nurses outside the NHS.

Present Position

The finance officers of the Cherwell Vale PCT, the OCC and the Orders of St. John are working on the figures to see if they can come up with a solution that is more in line with our wishes. It is essential that the OCC and PCT fully understand the views of the people in our community. We will therefore organise another Public Meeting early in September, details of which will be published later.

What can you do now?

If you want our hospital beds and nurses to stay within the NHS....Print Off a form, sign it and place it in your local collection box. We will make sure it reaches the right place. Collection boxes are located in Chipping Norton Post Office and Supermarkets and in Village Post Offices and shops  Or post it yourself  if you prefer! A leaflet and form will be delivered to most homes in Chippy and District so you can wait for that if you have any problems printing off a copy. Members of the Action Groups will be in the Market Square next Saturday and Wednesday. They will be distributing forms and will also be happy to answer any questions you may have.

GET THE FORM HERE

Your support has made a big difference in the past -  and it will again.

Meanwhile, perhaps we better get our hospital settled fast. The Oxford Mail reports today......"Health managers are gearing up for the second major NHS shake-up in Oxfordshire in three years. Proposals have been drawn up to reorganise the county's five primary care trusts, which oversee community services like GPs and dentists (and community hospitals) . The move could see the number reduced to three, covering Oxford, and north and south regions, or even amalgamated into one Oxfordshire body. Staff said the five organisations already worked together on projects and services, and a reduction would help save money. But while top-tier management would be lost, it is unlikely the move will lead to job cuts among health workers. At present, the five PCTs do not correspond to the boundaries of the county's five district councils. The changes would align community healthcare with local government, making it easier for councillors to help with future NHS initiatives. Oxford City PCT yesterday agreed to the proposals, and showed preference for one countywide organisation. The other four groups will make their decision next week".

 
OUR HOSPITAL PETITION
"We
strongly believe that Chippy's hospital
beds and nurses must be kept within the
National Health Service - in a Hospital
owned and managed by the NHS".
 

After seven weeks 4214 people from the town and around have signed this petition. Have you signed yet?
 

The negotiations over the new hospital have reached a crucial stage and seem to be "sticking" on the point about whether the NHS or the Order of St John should actually staff and manage the Intermediate Care Beds. Various members of the Oxfordshire County Council have recently been quoted as saying that its only a handful of awkward customers in the town who are holding up agreement. We don't know where they are getting their information. In fact both the Healthcare User Group and the Hospital Action Group are completely in agreement that the beds should stay within the NHS. At least one of the town surgeries is in strong agreement, as are the staff at the hospital. And despite the misleading report in this months Chippy News, our MP David Cameron has e-mailed chippingnorton.net to say....."Of course I want the intermediate beds in the NHS.".......Now the public are having their say. This week a form for your signature will be delivered with the free newspapers. Be sure to complete the form and post it in one of the collection boxes around town  OR Download the form here   Join the awkward brigade!! We are not sure how many signatures it will take to persuade Keith Mitchell and Don Seale that the majority of people in the town and the surrounding villages are supporting this demand - but we are aiming for a good few thousand.

 

HOSPITAL CAMPAIGN HOTS UP

The first 1000 petitions are delivered to Keith Mitchell at County Hall last Thursday by Steve Weston (Chairman Healthcare Users Group) and Chunky Townley (chairman Hospital Action Group). By Saturday the total is up to 1376.  "No Cuts" Thumper and his owner Diana Marlow are in the Market Square on Saturday morning helping a group of Hospital Action Group  members to collect signatures.
 

      

 

WHAT A DISGRACE

The North Oxfordshire Primary Care Trust held its Board Meeting in Chipping Norton on Thursday. Three options were presented for the future of Chippy Hospital. The way forward favoured by local action groups was not included as an option. No proper costs or business case were presented.  The public were not allowed to make a proper contribution to the debate. Our county councillor was treated unbelievably discourteously by the Chair. There was no serious questioning of the proposals by Board members who went ahead and voted unanimously for a proposal which handed over management responsibility for our hospital beds to a private company.  The unelected Guardians of our National Health Service seem set on dismantling it. What a disgrace!
Read a full account of the meeting and letters written by Councillor John Grantham, Liz Leffman, Elizabeth Allen Chunky Townley and Revd Steve Weston following the meeting.

 

Chippy ON THE MARCH

This was a midweek morning in the middle of the holidays and still well over 200 people turned up to march round the Market Square waving placards. The procession was led by a symbolic Hospital Bed - the lifeless patient in it representing the Community of Chipping Norton. The bed carried the message "Severe stab wounds to the back". Which sums up just what the town thinks of its recent treatment by the PCT who have ratted on a deal which everyone thought was finalised back in May. After a change of Chief Executive, the PCT now say that the option discussed and previously agreed (both with the Town Action Groups and the County Overview and  Scrutiny Committee) is suddenly not viable. (Read a full account of the last PCT meeting) They say that keeping the management of the 14 Intermediate Care Beds within the NHS will be too expensive. They propose to hand them over to the Orders of St John. We have asked to see the figures behind these decisions but they have not been produced. The only way that the option the PCT and OCC favour can be cheaper is if staffing costs are lower when the OSJ run the hospital beds as part of the care home. This must mean the nurses are cheaper under their management - which in turn must mean that they are less qualified and that their terms and conditions are not as good as NHS terms (what about pensions for example?). It probably also means that a role for care assistants will be found in the new hospital staffing structure to replace some nurses. We believe it all means a poorer service - and we were promised a year ago that we were talking about IMPROVING HEALTHCARE IN CHIPPING NORTON. The PCT claim that there is a financial problem because under "our" plan OSJ "overheads" (presumably the cost of their Care Home Manager) have to be allocated across fewer beds. 36 beds instead of 50.  Just suppose the Care Home Manager earns £50,000 a year. This means an increase in cost to OSJ of £14,000 per annum in managing their 36 beds. Their total contract is worth several million pounds. On top of that both the PCT and the County are making millions by selling their present properties and land. Is this deal being smashed up for such a paltry sum of money as £14,000 extra costs per annum? It just defies belief. (The National Lottery Grant for our VE Day celebrations was over £16,000 for one day's fun) Has anyone asked the League of Friends? They would probably be prepared to ante up a contribution to help keep the hospital in the NHS. All of this has us very very worried. Perhaps we haven't understood the financial issues properly.  The only way to answer our concerns is to show us the figures and this the PCT are refusing to do. And they still call this consultation. What an absolute disgrace. Chippy is indeed on the march. Thanks to everyone who came along. And don't forget to mark the "Big One" in your diaries. September 7th. 7.30pm. St Mary's Church.

Sincere thanks to Lindsay Townsend of Porcupine for one of the beds and to Linsey Smith of Southerndown Care Home for the other. to Sarah at Gossip for the loan of the two dummies and to Keith Pickett for drum accompaniment.  Our gratitude to other supporters from the town who helped us get things organised today - Travis Perkins for supplying wood and ply for roadside posters and placards, to Tim at Kopyrite for repeatedly giving us low prices or not charging at all and to Richard Simmons for the use of his amplifier. Hopefully the PCT will take note that this was another effort involving the whole town - and wasn't the work of just a few troublemakers! Lets make it a Saturday morning next time and see how many hundreds turn out!
 

 

 
 
 
 

 
 

 

  
(Snaps by Gerry Alcock and Jim Crease. If you have better ones send them along!!)

 

THERE WERE WE
 WAITING AT THE CHURCH.....

500 people turned up last night at the Hospital Meeting arranged in the Church. But the PCT didn't bother to come - The PCT is the public body charged with looking after healthcare provision in our area and responsible for getting us the best service and facilities possible. Apparently nobody at the PCT had any stomach for the meeting. Well now we know just what they think of us and our opinions. There is a huge well-paid Board at the North Oxfordshire PCT. Last year when they invited us to the church and came to "sell" us their plans there were at least twenty PCT personnel present.  This year we returned the invitation and wanted to let them have our comments. Not a single member of the PCT was available to listen to us. "A disgrace" was how the meeting felt about that. But to be fair perhaps they didn't want to miss the game on the telly. Some of us have always suspected that Anita Higham might be a closet football fan. The PCT's amazing snub was accentuated by the fact that Messrs Welsh and Cheeseborough (of the Oxfordshire County Council and the Orders of St John respectively) were at the top table and answering questions from the audience. We are grateful to them for having come. The vicar reviewed the last year and described how in May the User Group had reached an agreement with the PCT about how the new hospital should be set up and staffed. The plan was for a brand new facility up on London Road next to  a new Care Home -  14 Intermediate Care beds, a maternity unit, x-ray, specialist clinics - all managed by the NHS. Then a new Chief Executive appeared who pulled the rug from under  this agreement. The 14 hospital beds would after all have to be managed by the Orders of St John - for cost reasons. This was where things now stood. The town was not happy. We want the staffing of the hospital beds to remain in the NHS. One of the huge frustrations which we have been suffering is that the PCT have refused to produce  accurate figures so that we can see for ourselves what the claimed savings are by organising things in "their" way. Hilary Biles - in various committees - has been demanding a full business case from the PCT for a long time now The Overview and Scrutiny Committee have been promised one for next Monday - 12th September. We shall see. What became totally clear last night is that its all about VAT. Unbelievable. In the new era of public/private financing how you organise things depends on how you avoid VAT. Apparently - If the NHS  manage the hospital beds, then all the services like accommodation , cleaning and catering supplied by OSJ to the NHS become subject to VAT - because they are supplies to a third party. This is a lot of money. The only way to avoid it is to draw the organisation lines so that OSJ are running the hospital beds and the supply of  services remains entirely within OSJ. At the same time we are being told that in practice this makes absolutely no difference (nudge nudge wink wink). Its not that the OSJ are actually controlling anything....clinical management remains with the NHS, allocation of the beds remains with the NHS, specification of nursing standards remains with the NHS, nursing staff training remains with the NHS. OK you say but is all this going to fool the VAT man? Will he really believe that the OSJ are running these beds as an integral part of their operation. Needless to say the audience got completely lost with all this - understandably so. The deep pride of ownership in a 100 year old hospital - privately endowed and maintained by public support and fund raising - was being insulted by this squalid haggling and double talk over VAT. This just won't do folks. The assembled gathering voted overwhelmingly for the proposition that the hospital beds should stay within the NHS. The petition is now over 4,000 signatures. We have to find a way through this bookkeeping nonsense. Questions made it clear that everyone thought this whole matter had been hopelessly complicated by mixing up the Care Home with the Hospital. Why hadn't the sums been done right at the start? How could we decide without the facts? Had other providers been considered apart from the Orders of St John? Wasn't it the case that PCTs would have nothing to do with providing services in the very near future? Weren't GPs going to be responsible for deciding allocation of healthcare provision. Where did they stand in all of this? We heard from a Stratford upon Avon GP who said they had faced a very similar situation there with a potential closure of their community hospital and had come up with a very innovative scheme which had been been initiated by the GPs themselves. We need to find out more about that. Some people (including Councillor Mike Howes) felt that the overriding priority now was simply to get something built . Much more discussion and we might miss the boat completely. Despite everything the Vicar was optimistic that we will have our hospital soon. We pray he is right.

 

Chippy HOSPITAL DEBATE....
after the Church Meeting more politics!

The PCT snubbed last week's mass meeting in the Church (see report below). They obviously prefer to play the political game in committee rooms rather than meeting 500 worried people. This week there are two important committee meetings  - both of which the PCT are attending in force! The first was on Monday in Banbury - a Special meeting of the Northern sub-committee of the County Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee. Then on Thursday the full Scrutiny Committee meets in Oxford. The Monday meeting was a farce. Take a bow Elizabeth MacLeod - Cherwell District Councillor for Banbury Calthorpe  (left) who was in the chair and repeatedly "steered" the meeting - expressing her own views before any members had spoken -  cardinal sin for committee chairmen.  She certainly influenced a vote for a resolution by giving a report of her understanding of what the Chairman of the parent committee thought about things. Absolutely out of order. And when the vote was won - the Chief Executive of the PCT turned to her and said  "Well done  Thankyou Elizabeth". It seemed pretty clear who was on whose side.  But to start at the beginning. The special meeting was specifically called for the PCT to present a business case justifying its present proposals for Chipping Norton Hospital. All of us who had been present at the previous meeting were quite clear that this was the one and only purpose of the special meeting. The Chairman of this committee had even told the meeting in Chippy Church a few days earlier that she had asked for a business case and was expecting one on Monday. The PCT simply never bothered to produce a business case for this meeting. The meeting should have been terminated at that point. What they produced instead was 127 pages of old previous reports stapled together. What the PCT Chief Executive called a "paper trail" ( an expression normally used for describing  evidence in fraud cases!)  We have seen all these reports before. We have been told that some of the figures in these reports are wrong. None the less - the Committee Chairman thanked the Chief Executive and said this was exactly what the committee had asked for. This was untrue - the committee had asked for much more than a "cut and paste" job. There were gasps from the public gallery.  How is it possible for agencies who are being "scrutinised" by a Public committee to simply ignore requests for information - and get away with it?  What the Chief Executive had also brought along  was a "compromise" proposal - in the hope of getting some closure on this Chipping Norton Hospital issue which had now dragged on for too long and was getting stuck on what he described as "arcane" details.  This guy Nigel Webb certainly has plenty of chutzpah. He said it was clear that the people of Chipping Norton were either incapable or unwilling to understand the proposals being made (Well thanks Nigel). He re-iterated his condemnation of Chippy Hospital - saying this time that it should have been closed down fifty years ago. The "arcane" detail pre-occupying people in Chippy is to ensure that nursing in the new hospital continues under the management of the NHS - and is not handed over to the Orders of St John. We are absolutely convinced that it is possible to do this at no extra cost and we simply don't understand why the PCT are being so obdurate. We are convinced that there must be a hidden agenda which seems to involve the  interests of the Order of St John. However - nobody will provide the facts so how can we be sure? But the Chief Executive had a new wheeze. He now proposed that nursing staff in Chippy hospital would be guaranteed all NHS terms and conditions for three years after the commissioning of the new hospital - that's roughly five years in total from now. This guarantee would apply to existing staff and any new staff recruited in the period. It would not apply to non-nursing staff like care assistants, cleaners etc. Management of the nursing staff would remain with the Orders of St John. The Chairman wanted to take a unanimous recommendation to the Parent Committee on Thursday and it soon became clear that she wanted this to be an acceptance of the new proposal. She even had a resolution already drafted and prepared. She also indicated that the Chairman of the Parent Committee had told her that this new proposal was satisfactory to him. She also told us that Cherwell District Council supported the proposal.  A great deal of preparatory lobbying had gone on. Were any of these pre-meeting shenanigans proper? A councillor from Northamptonshire took it upon himself to address the people of Chipping Norton. He said (quite rightly) that they seem to want to keep what they have at the moment but in a new building. They have been told they can't have that. They must simply accept it and trust the PCT. (Where on earth do they find these people?) He probably knows as much about  Chipping Norton as we know about South Northamptonshire. The two councillors from West Oxfordshire then got stuck in. Mike Howes (Conservative District Councillor for Chipping Norton) attacked the complexity, costs and confusing nature of the proposals. Stuart Brooks - Liberal Democrat District Councillor for Freeland and Hanborough (right) - did a forensic job on the figures contained in the PCT paper on the different Options and demonstrated to the complete satisfaction of most people present that it would be possible to have the Intermediate Care Beds managed by the NHS at the same kind of cost as the option (Option 2) which had actually been selected. The PCT never answered Councillor Brooks' points and the Chairman did not press them to do so. They said rather loftily that the choice of option had not been entirely on the basis of the financial figures.  So what was the basis then? was the question crying out to be asked. Nobody asked it. The Chairman reported on her visit to the Chippy Church meeting and said the majority of people would be happy to accept a healthcare facility in place of a hospital. This completely puzzled the Chippy representatives present since they know that such a statement  is totally untrue. Where on earth did the Chairman get this idea? The Chairman hurried on to say that one crucial thing about which the Parent Committee would want reassurance was whether the Hospital Staff had been consulted. The three senior PCT managers Nigel Webb, Jonathan Coombs and Hazel Knott sat there looking totally sincere, nodding their heads in a concerned way and assured the Chairman that they had all spoken recently to the staff, they could only formally consult when there was a firm proposal , the staff were proud to be members of the NHS and yes they had some anxieties about the uncertainty - but then that was true of all NHS staff at the moment. "Well that's fine" said the Chairman. Everyone from Chipping Norton knows that there is furious unhappiness among the hospital staff and the chances of any of them being willing to transfer to work for the Orders of St John is pretty slim. Somebody needs to make sure the Parent Committee knows this because it doesn't look as if the Chairman will pass the word on. The Chairman finally put her resolution to a vote - to accept the PCT's compromise proposal.  Only two voted against - Councillors Howes and Brooks  - both from West Oxfordshire. The other six all voted for - none of them had asked a substantial question of the PCT during the meeting. They come from Brackley, South Northamptonshire and Banbury. (Last year the arrangement was that the Northamptonshire contingent did not vote on issues which did not affect them. When and why did this change?) The committee's recommendation now goes to the full meeting in Oxford on Thursday. One person who was going apoplectic during all of this was Hilary Biles (left) - County Councillor for Chipping Norton. Hilary had addressed the meeting at the outset and had then been "muzzled" by the Chairman and dismissed to the public benches. Hilary was Chairman of this committee last year. She was proud of the committee and worked hard to maintain its independence. Today she was in despair. She and Clive Hill will both have five minutes each at the full meeting to report on the travesty that was the Northern Committee. The full committee must realise that they are now the only watchdog for electors in Local Health Matters. We expect them to be challenging and demanding in scrutinising the plans of local trusts and PCTs. They haven't been in operation very long. They must not get a reputation for being a pushover.  A couple of months ago on 9th June they laid out the terms under which they approved the Chipping Norton Consultation process - and made it clear they expected management of the hospital beds would remain with the NHS. If they didn't they would require a new consultation. Well that's where we are now.  Come and find out what happens next. County Hall. Thursday. 11.45am. It could be High Noon for the new Chippy Hospital. Will it all end with a bang or a whimper?